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This is Hacker Public Radio Episode 3,769 for Thursday the 12th of January 2023.

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Today's show is entitled, Crouching Laptop Hidden Server Part Zero.

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It is part of the series' virtualization.

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It is hosted by some guy on the internet and is about 14 minutes long.

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It carries a clean flag.

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The summary is virtualized battlegrounds.

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Hello and welcome to another episode of Hacker Public Radio.

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I'm your host, some guy on the internet and I'm here with Artor 72.

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Alright, so we're here with Artor 72.

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He just posted something amazing in the chat room and I was like, oh man, we got to

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talk about that.

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It's not fully put together yet, but we're going to discuss it anyway because it feels

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good to get in on the ground for before the machine is fully assembled.

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So Artor, why don't you tell us a little bit about which post it in chat?

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There's, it had no laptop instead of a Poxbox server on it and I just got the install

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and made one change since I had installed it.

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So we're running Poxbox ladies and gentlemen here here now, Poxbox on a laptop.

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What kind of specs are we talking about here, Artor?

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I believe in I3, but I'd have to go back in the notes and the earth in the computer and

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look up the specs.

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Roughly in I3, you got a good idea for the amount of RAM we're going to have on this

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bad boy?

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Or are you playing the upgrading it in the near future or are you?

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No, I think 8 gigs a RAM, I can't remember what I have.

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Ooh, that's, that's going to be a close one right there.

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8 gigs?

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What's the, uh, what's the plan?

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What was the minimum number of VMs you're thinking you're going to be able to get on this

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thing?

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Three Pots boy?

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Let me look at the web UI, it probably tells you about the RAM it is.

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So if we're looking at about 8 gigs a RAM, 3 VMs, that's going to be kind of close.

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From understand this Poxmont system, has Debbie in as a base?

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That's right.

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I don't know, it's showing on the UI that I only have 4 gigs on RAM.

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That's weird, I thought I'd put more in there.

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That's going to be playing it very close.

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That will.

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I think I need to get more RAM.

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You've got to have some extra LAN around, right?

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No, I have to look at the specs closer and see what I can put in it.

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Well, for a laptop, I wouldn't go above.

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Well, if it's a guy 4 in it now, I'd just slap an 8 gig steak next to it and call it good.

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I could do that, so we might have to get back together later.

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Oh no, this is still going to work.

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We've got a roughly an I3, 4 gigs of RAM, that means you can still get 1 VM off the ground

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for now, right?

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Right.

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All right, now.

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That 1 VM that we're talking about, what are you playing I'll do with?

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I think I'll start with Arch, because it's pretty lightweight, actually.

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That's the funny thing is that's where my username comes from, because I used Arch for six

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years or so.

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Ooh, so we got a little background story here.

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Using the name plus the district, you're going to be running on it, and I'm assuming this

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is going to be Arch headless.

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Yes, it is.

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Now, oh boy, Arch headless, what are you going to be running on a headless arch system?

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That sounds pretty crazy.

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I like you said it's the ground floor, so I don't quite know what I want to do yet.

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I just saw a video on how to do proxmox, and I thought it might be an interesting challenge

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to do.

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I'm thinking a little crazy.

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What do you say you just run it out there on the wild for a little while on the open

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net?

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Like maybe Hosta, Hosta next cloud, and since out there.

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On Arch?

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Baby?

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Yeah.

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I mean, well, with four gigs, it'd be kind of tight with the lamp stack, so maybe not.

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Maybe not a next cloud, that might be a bit tight.

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Yeah, it is.

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You kind of build it up as you go, and that's why I had liked it before, and I don't remember

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what happened, but I tried to talk about Slackware, and so I was like, oh, I'll try

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that.

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I still like both.

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I never used Slackware, and I've only set up Arch once a long time ago in the VM, but

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I didn't actually use it as a system.

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I just wanted to say I set up Arch.

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Any chance we can convince you to self-host something out there in the wild on the

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raw, untamed internet.

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Yeah, sure.

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What's worth of trying?

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Now, this is going to be great.

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My laptop that I'm going to be running, it's an HP.

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And it was cheaper HP laptops that have the, what is it, the I3 in it?

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This is the model 14-CK0052CL.

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Mine is an Intel Core I32350 CPU with 2.3GHz.

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I think we're running roughly the same type of system here.

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Right, that's about right.

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Now mine, the last time I checked, I think I got either 8 or 16 gigs in there.

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Maybe you've had 8 and I put 16 in it because I still got laptop RAM from other older

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laptops or whatever.

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It's managed running a boom to 20.0.4, and I'm thinking I'm going to put this puppy out

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there and the wild as well.

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I'm going to be taking a different approach using some of the documentation I got from

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Red Hat.

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Well, yeah, I tried Vert Manager to the, it's a second level hypervisor.

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I'll list the difference between ProxMox and Vert Manager's, Vert Manager's, our ProxMox

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is on the bare metal.

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All right, here we go, I just found it right here.

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All right, so it's going to be using a Vert Manager with a QEMU in KVM, or you use Vert

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install to create your disks or not your disks, your VMs, so the real documentation I found

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for building and setting up your VMs just all from the command line is excellent.

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They obviously won't either run it on a rail or sent to our stream or whatever, but the

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same package is work over on a boom to as well.

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So that's the route I'm going to go with it, and I'm doing it mainly just to get my command

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line flew up there, because the other method was just use a Vert Manager, the GUI, build

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your VMs there, and then migrate them over to the system, and then run them that way.

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That's what I was doing through the GUI, so far, yes, I didn't have to do anything after

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the install, just plug in my Ethernet, and then after that, log in, d.com, and comment

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out those things where you can, so you can close the lot, they are laptop-load.

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Oh, yeah, I've got to definitely hit up that log in, d.

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Yeah, that did work, I haven't put that in one out later.

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With my setup, getting started, I'm going to have to install the package, it's QEMU-KVM,

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the package libvert, and the packagevert install, and from there I'll be able to use a couple

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of simple commands to build the VM.

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This laptop isn't going to be running large VMs obviously, so I guess it'll be like,

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you know, I'll just be testing it on small and medium.

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Now have you toured with any of the bridging in ProxMox to be able to get this thing out

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on the network that the VM?

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I know, I've just gone as far as the login d.

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That is going to be interesting as well.

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I really want to know how this process is going to work with me, just trying to do it

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off from a command, just trying to set up a bridge, and get this thing, it's an IP

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on the network.

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I was just wondering the same thing, because I can't even get a basic VM, I got VM tiny,

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missing some of the functionality of VM.

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Oh, in your VM, you already got launched?

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Yeah, they have a web interface, web UI, they have a place you can go to the show.

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I was using that to change my login.d.

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That's one of the things I like about it.

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With that UI, you get that flexibility of like using a VPS, you know how you can

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jump on the node or wherever and use the list terminals that they have online.

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So with ProxMox, they're giving you that same flexibility, but on the land using the web

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tool.

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All right, so we just got back, we were looking at a few bits of documentation, and anything

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interesting you found there, Archer?

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No, you found more documentation than I do.

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Yeah, I mean, we both stumbled across some really good bits and pieces.

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A couple of YouTube videos and lots of docs from ProxMox.

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It seems that they allow you to, let me go and pull that up here.

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So from the ProxMox website, if you were to, from the main page, go over to the download

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tab at the top, scroll all the way down.

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You'll then find the downloadable PDF documentation, which gives you a lot more information

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to work with.

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So even if you haven't downloaded and ran ProxMox yet, you can get that documentation

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at least get a good peek at what you'd be getting yourself into if you were to use ProxMox.

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And Archer ran across a lot of other wonderful docs out there from, there's a site called

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Bob Cares that has some great information on breaking your VMs out, setting up that virtual

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bridge and some V-laying information.

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That's all going to be included down into the show notes.

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And also the YouTube link.

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That's where I actually got what got me interested in the beginning.

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Right, right, because that YouTube link shows just how easy it is to get set up in ProxMox.

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And Archer, you pointed out something earlier about how lightweight it is, could you tell

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us a little bit about that?

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I apparently only have four gigs around and I thought I had more, but it's only running

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using one gig around.

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So we're talking about a system with four cores and four gigs of RAM.

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You loaded up ProxMox on there as your operating system, which is a deviant base with

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a hot with the ProxMox hypervisor.

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You're only running right now, up and running with only one gig of RAM.

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That's true.

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That means in the future when you're ready to expand, you've got plenty of room to,

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you know, plenty of wiggle room to give your VMs more a project, well, maybe not too much

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processing power, because it's a 93, but you don't have to starve them on the RAM side.

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No, it has four gigs of swap too, and I'm guessing that will change if I add more

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Yeah, I think for now, because you're limited on the RAM, they're probably putting

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that swap in there as a good idea, you know, any services start filling up that RAM pretty

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quickly.

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You want some swap?

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I think it creates that automatically.

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I actually made no changes except for that, like I said, log and D. Next up is to expand

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the storage from the video, yeah, delete one of the volumes and then expand the remaining

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volume.

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But I didn't do that yet.

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We're going to take two approaches here, ladies and gentlemen, Arch is going to be using

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the fantastic ProxMox with all this wonderful documentation right here.

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I mean, honestly, I'm kind of jealous, just looking at it. It looks great. It looks

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easy. There's lots of nice videos to help guide you along. This is, this is wonderful.

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I'm going to attempt something similar. I'm going to be running a boon too and do a mine

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through the command line, but I'm very jealous of this UI, and I'm thinking for a UI

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of my own, maybe running a cockpit. I think a boon too has a version of cockpit that can

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be downloaded and installed and you know, quickly configured to run on the network.

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And from cockpit, maybe I won't be able to set up VMs from there, but I can still migrate

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VMs over to the system if I need to from my desktop. I'm going to try to do it all through

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the command line. They'll just get the system set up that way and just use scripts whenever

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I want to lob a new VM. And of course, I'm going to put it out on a great wide open.

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So in a future episode, when me and Archer get back together, I want us to have some information,

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you know, our highs and lows of this entire setup and some information on what to expect

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when running on your home network. Alright, so Archer and I just ran through a little bit

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more documentation, finding some great DNS services out there. And Archer and you want to

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recommend duct DNS. If you don't mind that Google is one of the login options and get home.

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Well, for what we're doing, I think it'll be just fine, but for those of you out there listening,

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depending on what kind of services you're running and what information you're moving through

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those services. If you're not running something like wire guard to encrypt that traffic,

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I think you're going to want to be careful, but look, it's a service that's available at

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no cost to the user. And notice I did not use the word free because we are in the product. Indeed.

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Well, Archer, we did a great job bringing up a lot of information for the folks to have something

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look forward to. You run in proxmox on a devian-based system. And with the current stats in your box,

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let's go into a quick reminder, going to be running at I3 with four gigs of ram currently

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with an upgrade in the future, hopefully. And any other information you want to add on top of that?

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Just that the web UI is pretty user friendly. Yeah, here's hoping we can also get a little bit of

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containerization later on. We have to wait and see how that works. We have to first make it out

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the gate. I'll probably crash and fail and weeping the night away and switching over to proxmox

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as well. But I won't do so without giving it a go. So that'll wrap it up for today's episode.

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